*24.07.12 Miscellaneous Mykkie And Mike

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Welcome back to my channel.

Sometimes as I work on a video, the hard part is deciding what not to include. My tendency is to want to include everything but at the same time, I really don't like long videos. I'd prefer them to be surgically precise, focusing on one thing. So I have this contradictory motivation to want to narrow the scope. Regardless, I'll end up with lots of odds and ends saved which I have no idea when or if I will ever use them.

So I thought maybe this would be a good time to try to clear out some of these items I've set aside. With that in mind, let me respond to some things said by a channel I haven't referred to before. It is called "Our Philippine Journey". This is not the same as "Myk's Philippine Journey". But adding to the confusion is that the person behind "Our Philippine Journey" is also named Mike - just spelled the normal way. So for this video, I'll call him "Mike" and refer to the other guy as "Mykkie" or "Mykkie Mouth".

Hopefully you already watched my earlier video released May 24th, which includes some crazy reactions Mykkie Mouth made to a video by Rubeauti. Well, it turns out that Mykkie also talked about that video on a live stream with Mike.

I don't know much about Mike, so I won't be accusing him of being nasty or dishonest. But he said some rather strange things in response to Rubeauti's video, so I'll start with that. If you haven't watched my video about Mykkie attacking Rubeauti, I suggest you do so to help you understand this video.

Rubeauti had talked about the practice of a Filipina bringing her foreigner boyfriend to her hometown to meet the family for the first time. It was expected there would be a party that the foreigner would pay for.

Before going on, let me point out that while Rubeauti is talking about foreigner boyfriends, that doesn't mean it only applies to foreigners. For example, Jimbo360, born and raised in the Philippines, said it was expected of Filipinos too if they had money. So why did Rubeauti say "foreigners"? Well, likely simply because her audience is overwhelmingly foreigners! And that Filipinos wouldn't need to be made aware of these things anyway. If you think otherwise, the solution is simple enough. Just ask Rubeauti to clarify rather than, you know, assume it MUST be something else.

Anyway, Mike said this:

"Do you sponsor a big dinner or go out or what like that, whatever? Maybe, but not in the beginning, not when you first know them, you know? After you've, you've  been with them for awhile, alright, yeah, you know what, let's take, you know, your 20 closest relatives to the beach and fuck up a pig, alright? Whatever."

It seems this Mike listened too much to Mykkie Mouth's misrepresentation of what Rubeauti actually said and, unfortunately, believed Mykkie!

As my earlier video documented, Rubeaui did NOT say it was something you do at the beginning of a relationship. She said it was when you visited your girlfriend's hometown to meet the family for the first time. That can be long after the relationship begins.

So Mike's criticism seems to be based on Mykkie's false description. Otherwise he would recognize that Rubeauti was reporting a situation that Mike seems he should be fine with.

Here's more:

"But, duh, but this bitch, you know, for her to say in the beginning, it's tradition, and it's expected, and then turn around after her diatribe of what's expected and tradition and say, 'Hey, you know what', or you could tell him upfront, this is not your expectation. And it's like, why didn't you start like that? Why didn't you just say, 'Hey, guys, be upfront and have her be upfront and just tell her upfront, I'm not sponsoring all this crap'".

Nothing like some sexist name-calling to start and that is more of a diatribe than anything Rubeauti said! After all, a diatribe is "a forceful and bitter verbal attack". That might fit Mike's use of the "B" word or many of Mykkie Mouth's statements. But not Rubeauti.

But the rest makes no sense either.

There is the part that the Filipina should say upfront that it isn't their expectation, specifically that Rubeauti didn't start with that.

Really? Let's see, Rubeauti's entire video was 10 minutes long. And she begins talking about the guy discussing things with his Filipina after just over 6 minutes. You don't need much of an attention span to get to that part!

Rubeauti specifically covered the importance of talking it over and you don't have to agree with this practice. Doesn't matter if it was in the first minute or the sixth minute!

Next quote:

"Why would you meet the family and take them out, spend a fortune at a resort, cause I have done that, but not in the beginning, okay? Never in the beginning, alright? You know, once a year, once every sss..., you know, and even then I say, once a year, you gotta remember, we're in the province every 6 to 8 weeks so once a year, that's not so bad."

Again, that seems to be based on Mykkie Mouth's misrepresentation that it was when a relationship begins. Rubeauti's context was only when you go to her hometown to meet the family for the first time - a rather important event!

Note that Mike seems fine with once a year. And he starts to say, "once every sss...". What could he have been planning to say? I don't know why he stopped, but I'd say the most likely thing that would fit would be "once every six months". No other word I can think of fits that 's' sound as well in this context. But, okay, Mike does focus on once a year as acceptable and remember, he said he's done it himself.

Remember that Rubeauti said it might be twice a year which either isn't much more than Mike said or, if that 's' sound was referring to every 6 months, it is the same. So, again, why is Mike complaining? Well, besides making the mistake of listening to Mykkie Mouth!

Next we have a bit more from Mike:

"How does she get off saying this is tradition? I don't see Filipino guys doing this, so now it's just a tradition of foreign guys."

Well, I already pointed out she was addressing a foreigner audience who would usually be unaware of these things. So it really doesn't mean the practice is reserved for foreigners. And locals would already know.

Besides, the same thing was discussed on Jimbo360's channel and he said it applied to Filipinos too, IF they are wealthy enough. But most aren't. Meanwhile, whether accurate or not, Filipinos tend to think westerners are wealthy enough. So nothing unusual here.

As for "tradition", well, that is a tricky word. I mean, exactly when does something officially become "tradition"? There is no rigid rule! But certainly this happens a lot so it doesn't sound like an outlandish usage of the term in this case.

Next, Mike talks about a situation he observed personally:

"And it was a busy night. I would venture to say there were five to eight hundred people up and down the street. Maybe a thousand in all the bars by midnight. Those guys are not taking those girls and saying, you know what, I'm in love and, uh, I'm going to go meet the family. So I'm not sure how much of a tradition it is. Because some of these guys are wanting to date these girls, alright. But these guys are not doing that shit. I don't see it as a tradition. I don't understand where she gets off on it."

Do you see the problem? Sure, one can argue about exactly how far vague terms like "tradition" go, but he is challenging it on the basis of what people do in a bar district. You know, a place which is not representative of the country as a whole! I've never heard of a scientific survey where they based it on patrons in bars unless the survey was specifically about people in bars! Those guys may well want to date those girls. But there are probably a lower percentage who are looking for long-term, serious relationships with them. You know, the ones where it is important to eventually meet the family!

Mike continues:

"I had a long conversation with my wife about that because I wanted to really try and find a way to verbally get across what 'saving face' was being defined as, and she emphatically told me, 'Look, we don't do saving face. We really don't. What we do is we don't lie'.

This has the same problem as all the rest - it is likely based on how Mykkie Mouth misrepresented what The Filipina Pea actually said. That was certainly the case with every Filipina Mykkie asked. He gave the false description first - the one where he claimed that Pea said that lying was part of saving face even though Pea said the opposite. So of course the Filipinas he told that to were quick to say they didn't believe in saving face because they don't lie.

Remember, Mykkie failed to apply that trick to Jimbo360 before asking him about saving face in the Philippines and Jimbo said saving face was VERY IMPORTANT. So there is a good chance anything Mike said to his wife was based on the slant that Mykkie passed on to so many others.

Let's jump to an item I left out from a video two weeks ago - the one related to The Filipina Pea's video, Death Of Your Spouse".

One of Mykkie Mouth's commenters, as part of his claim that Pea only was referring to a "spouse", wrote:

"The word she uses is 'Spouse' which literally means wife or these days you could stretch it to someone you live with as if they were your wife."

Myk didn't accept it, and responded with:

"He's then going to take a definition, he tries to hit me and say, 'Well she talked about spouse', okay? And then he goes like this, 'Which literally means wife or these days you could stretch it to someone you live with as if they were your wife".

"So now, you want to hit me with a definition yet then all of a sudden you want to change the definition? My answer to this gentleman is spouse is spouse. You can't change it."

As I pointed out in the earlier video, Pea was not ONLY including a spouse, so Mykkie had a point there, even though he screwed it up since Pea was consistently talking about serious, long term, age gap relationships with a caring and devoted Filipina.

The problem with Mykkie's effort to hold a very strict line on definitions is, well, more than one problem actually!

First, it is a legitimate point to compare a couple living together as if they were married. Happens quite a lot. Sometimes legitimately in the sense that the couple are taking the view that a marriage license is just a piece of paper that they don't need. Some states have common law marriage. Some countries have a similar legal aspect. In fact, I found a Canadian case where a couple had been dating for more than 3 years, but  they didn't even live together. Yet based on their relationship, the court determined the two were a spouse!

So, surprise, but the definition of "spouse" isn't quite as restrictive as Myk thinks.

Next, there is the less legitimate situation where a man tells his girlfriend they don't need no stinking license, but he is just trying to minimize his legal commitment to take advantage of a naive woman, even as he tells his girlfriend it is just like being married. If you are convincing your girlfriend that you really are serious when you aren't, from my point of view, you deserve to be treated as a spouse anyway for fraud. Just my opinion.

And I believe Mykkie himself has done videos about how the Philippines can treat you as a married couple, even if not married!

But there is one more problem for Mykkie. Remember that stuff I told you about Mykkie claiming The Filipina Pea was advocating "girlfriend alimony"? Yet she didn't. Nothing she said fits under the definition of "alimony". If Mykkie wants to hold strict definitions, he can't move the goalposts for his convenience.

Okay, one more item. Mykkie likes to criticize the appearance of Filipinas he doesn't like for some reason, even though it has nothing to do with the issues. I'll certainly get around to a detailed video about the nonsense of publicly rating women negatively, but here's a quick example of Myk not even being logical nor consistent.

A commenter during a live stream wrote, "I rate Pea facial is a 5, body is an 8 which puts her at a 7."

To which Mykkie said:

"Yeah, you can't do separation. You can't do that bro."

As I said, Mykkie is neither logical nor consistent. He's said something similar to another poster where he specifically said you can only consider the face, not the body.

Yet he's on record as saying Pea's face was a 3 and her body is a 6!

But his lack of logic is the more important item. Mykkie's main argument has been you won't approach a woman to begin with unless you find her attractive. Okay, so since when do men, when they first see a woman, ONLY see her face? Oh, sure, it's possible to have that happen. Just like it is possible to see a girl's figure without seeing her face at first. Sometimes you have to go out of your way to see her face! And if her body is good, you probably will!

Everyone has their preferences, but I suspect if a guy thinks a woman's body is a 10 but her face is a 6, he'd prefer her to a woman he feels has a face that's a 10 and a body that's a 6. Especially if you see her at a beach where the face may be far more artificially enhanced than her body in a bikini!

Well, at least I was able to clear out a lot of miscellaneous material.

Thanks for watching and don't let the trolls stop you from speaking out.